A valedictorian with ADHD, autism, and a disciplinary record (Ann Bennett’s story)

This week, host Laura Key sits down with her co-worker Dr. Ann Bennett, who leads applied research and evaluation at Understood.org. Ann shares her own autism and ADHD diagnosis story — one that didn’t unfold until the end of her PhD program.

Ann was valedictorian of her high school. She also had a disciplinary record. She’d get bored and sometimes fall asleep in class because she’d already taught herself the material. First diagnosed with autism and later with ADHD, Ann reflects on what those labels helped her understand about herself and her brain.

She also shares findings from our recent “Women With ADHD: The Power of Podcasts” study, where she surveyed and interviewed women who listen to Understood podcasts — including ADHD Aha! Along the way, Ann found herself having her own “aha” moments.

• Women with ADHD: The power of podcasts

• What is AuDHD?

• ADHD and women

(00:00) Intro

(02:08) Growing up undiagnosed 

(06:13) Being diagnosed with autism and ADHD during her PhD

(11:07) Meeting her husband, and unmasking for the first time

(13:28) Sharing her story more with others

(14:19) “Women With ADHD: The Power of Podcasts” study Ann conducted on Understood.org podcasts

(23:44) Specific statistics from the study

(32:00) Outro and credits

(00:00) Intro

Ann Bennett: I knew I was different because I was exhausted. I was exhausted from trying to fit in. It was just masking all the time. Like, I don't think that I ever truly removed the mask until I met my husband.

Laura Key: This is "ADHD Aha!," a podcast where people share the moment when it finally clicked that they have ADHD. My name is Laura Key. I am the editorial director here at Understood.org. And as someone who's had my own ADHD Aha! moment, I'll be your host.

Too many people think that having ADHD means that you're not smart or that you can't succeed in school. Well, my guest today, Dr. Ann Bennett, blows that stereotype out of the water. She succeeded in school so much, in fact, that she often set the curve, much to the annoyance of her classmates. Ann is actually my wonderful colleague here at Understood, and she leads applied research and evaluation. Ann, welcome to the show.

Ann: Thank you. Happy to be here.

Laura: Thanks for being here today. So tell me, what is applied research and evaluation? What does that mean?

Ann: It's a field of research that focuses on outcomes. So when you think about evaluation in particular, you're thinking about products or programs or offerings that have been created or are about to go to market. But what we do is we look at, what are the effects of this product before we actually put it into the marketplace? And applied research sort of takes that same focus on outcomes. But applied research is more about looking at things that already exist in the world and applying them to current real-world problems to look for a solution. So it's not necessarily about generating new knowledge, but sometimes it does. It's more about solving the actual problems that we have today.

(02:08) Growing up undiagnosed

Laura: So we are going to talk about some of the work that you have done here at Understood, an amazing body of research studying the impact of podcasts on listeners. We're going to hear about the results of this study that has to do with "ADHD Aha!," this show.

Ann: Yes.

Laura: Among other Understood podcasts. So it's going to be a little weird. We're going to talk about the results of this show on this show, right? But it's going to be cool. But let's start with your personal story. You have ADHD.

Ann: Yes.

Laura: You do. Tell me about growing up. What was life like for you in school?

Ann: So you alluded to this in the intro, but I was the super smart kid, the kid who ruined the curve, the kid who everybody in class like, "Hey, will you help me with my homework?" If there was a group project, people wanted to work with me, not socially. So like I had the academic skills, I had the grades, I did not have the social skills. But one of the things that's interesting about my K-12 sort of academic career, if you will, is that not only was I valedictorian, but I was also a kid with a disciplinary record, which you don't traditionally associate with the valedictorian.

Laura: Wait, I didn't know. This didn't come up in the pre-interview, Ann. Okay, I need to hear about this.

Ann: Yeah, I got in trouble a lot, and I think that reflecting back on it now, it was that sort of ADHD impulsivity. I got bored in class. So I often would learn things on my own for the sake of learning them, which meant that by the time I got to learn it in a classroom, I was bored. I didn't want to do this. I already knew it. I had a bad habit of sleeping through class. I had a bad habit of just talking a lot and being annoying to the other kids, you know, in the class because I was bored.

And so this constant sort of acting out, like I was a valedictorian with a disciplinary record. So it was an interesting sort of combination for me that I couldn't quite figure out. And even in college, I was bored then too. I think the biggest problem is this idea of sort of learning on my own and being this lifelong learner and just wanting to know things anyways and going into those deep dives of, I'm going to learn everything I can about this topic. But then it comes up in a college class and it's like, okay, I'm bored.

(06:13) Being diagnosed with autism and ADHD during her PhD

Laura Key: I have to tell you that a valedictorian with a disciplinary record is the most badass thing I've ever heard. And I kind of want you to put that on a t-shirt or something. It's like the perfect guest for today.

Ann Bennett: I know, right?

Laura: So what is the ADHD factor in that? Because that's something that I did a lot growing up, too. I was such a jock, but then I always wanted to hang out with like the AP physics kids. And just kind of bouncing around, and I feel like kind of my whole life I've had a lot of little mini-friend groups, but not really that close with a lot of people.

Ann: Yeah. So the hopping around, I would attribute to something that we call IN-CUP. So I-N-C-U-P, interest, novelty, challenge, urgency, passion. That's kind of what drives some of the impulsivity in ADHD. And so for me, it was the challenge of fitting in along with the novelty of being someone else for a little bit.

Laura: Did you know growing up that you were different? Did you feel different? Or did you feel like you fit in everywhere because that's just kind of what you were naturally trying to do?

Ann: No, I knew I was different because I was exhausted. I was exhausted from trying to fit in. Interestingly enough, every sort of social group has like their own trends that they're keeping up with. And like a great example is music. And I will stand by this that 1998 was the greatest year of music of all time. But that's also the year I entered high school. And at the time, you had anywhere from like Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC were coming out. But then on the other side--

Laura: You've got Radiohead. You've got REM.

Ann: Yeah, you got REM. And then, you know, later on, like I started getting into bands like Breaking Benjamin and Three Days Grace. And it was like keeping up with the music trends of the various social groups and being able to walk into a room and say, "Yeah, did you hear that new single drop from, you know, like…” There was a lot to keep up with. And so it was exhausting. And it was exhausting just because it was just masking all the time. I don't think I ever truly removed the mask until I met my husband.

Laura: It's beautiful. Yeah. Let's talk about your diagnosis story then. So when you went to get your PhD?

Ann: Yeah.

Laura: What happened?

Ann: So working on my PhD in education actually exposed me to some people in inclusive education or special education.

Laura: Yeah.

Ann: I loved them. I don't know why we got along so well at the time, but I loved them. And one of them who was an autism specialist looked at me and she's like, "I'm not saying you are, but you might want to look into this autism thing." And I was like, "Okay."

Laura: And how did you feel when she said that?

Ann: I think at the time, I kind of felt like this makes sense because it has to be something. Like, I knew that I had developed a lot of systems to cope. I knew I was masking. I was exhausted. So I knew there was something. Whether it was autism or not, I mean, that didn't make a difference to me. But I trusted her. And I ended up getting late-diagnosed autism. And we're talking literally right before I turned 30. And what was interesting about that is there was this sort of sense of relief of, "There's a reason I'm weird. There's a reason I'm quirky. There's a reason I'm sort of eccentric."

I never thought of myself as I'm broken or I'm flawed or anything like that. I just liked that there was an explanation behind some of the things that I do. But what was interesting is, although the autism diagnosis was a relief, it didn't explain everything. And it was like, "Oh, this might explain why I'm a huge fan of "Doctor Who" or, you know, Marvel or something.” But it didn't explain some of the other things.

Laura: Like what?

Ann: So this actually was something that I thought was an issue just in school. But eventually I got my PhD and I took a tenure-track position as a professor. So now I'm teaching education and educational research. And I was still procrastinating. I was still waiting to the exact last minute possible to be like, "Oh, I should probably write that lecture," or "Oh, I was going to give an exam today. I should maybe create that." That's when I was like, "I'm going to see what else is happening."

And one of the things that I learned during that process, and this is probably why the autism-ADHD diagnosis didn't happen at the same time, is I had developed so much, again, coping skills and management skills like using autism, you know, like planning and documenting and timelines that I was controlling the ADHD that way.

Laura: Oh.

Ann: And so when I was doing the ADHD assessment, I was told before you go into this, when you think about answering these questions, don't think about the systems you've built to solve those. If the systems were not in place, would you be able to manage this?

Laura: Right.

Ann: And I feel like if I had had that bit of advice earlier on, I would have got the autism and ADHD diagnosis at the same time.

Laura: Yeah.

(11:07) Meeting her husband, and unmasking for the first time

Laura: How did you meet your husband?

Ann: Oh, gosh. Yeah, so my husband and I met in Atlanta. This was when I was a professor. And we met because of a nerd convention called Dragon Con.

Laura: Yes.

Ann: This is why I say I think my husband's the only person who's truly seen me unmasked. Dragon Con is this amazing nerd convention that has all of these panels, all of these celebrities. And it's a lot about cosplay. So we both actually, funny enough, joined a Facebook group for Dragon Con dating. And we met via Facebook, and then we have been inseparable ever since. So we've been together eight years, married seven. We actually got married at Dragon Con the following year after we met.

Laura: And so now when you come home, your mask is off?

Ann: Yeah, he knows who I am. Although, what's interesting is I don't think I knew who I was until I really met him, because we actually went through counseling early on together. And here's where that question of, what is the benefit of diagnosis? I was keeping my ADHD in check through my autism, but I wasn't keeping my autism in check.

Laura: Oh, I'm so interested. Tell me more about that.

Ann: Yeah. So my husband and I early on had a lot of difficulties because he's a very punk rock guy. He likes to go to ska shows, he likes punk music, all of this. And I wanted to be supportive. I'm like, "I want to go with you and do these things and let's do them together." And I was literally having meltdowns at the shows of his favorite bands. You know, I'd be in a corner. Sometimes I'd be extremely emotional, crying because I just couldn't take the music, the lights, everything all together. And it was because I never actually learned how to manage aspects of my overstimulation. So when we went into counseling together, she was like, "You need to do some things. You need to take care of some things."

And she introduced me to things like the noise-canceling earphones. I didn't even think about that. I wasn't realizing that one of the reasons why I wasn't social is because I was avoiding triggers. And my husband put me smack dab in the middle of the triggers. And so one of the reasons I stim now is because, again, part of that counseling effort with my husband was, "You need to do something to regulate." I have earplugs now when we go to certain shows just to really just dull it out completely. So I'm there to just be with him. But what's so interesting about that is this was probably 10 years after my original autism diagnosis that I finally started going, "Maybe I should address some issues."

(13:28) Sharing her story more with others

Laura: What's next for you on your ADHD and autism journey, just for yourself?

Ann: I don't think I've ever thought about that before. I think probably sharing my story more. That's one of the things that I've learned having done the podcast research and the podcast study is that my story is very similar to tons of other women who have this ADHD and even the AuDHD diagnosis of autism and ADHD is there are commonalities among us. Like, if you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person, same thing with ADHD. But we do have a through line on some things. And I feel like if we don't get these stories out here, which is one of the great things about your podcast is you're putting the stories out there for people to hear, then we're just going to continue to sort of be left on the sidelines. And no one's going to consider women, particularly women with ADHD, in research.

(14:19) “Women With ADHD: The Power of Podcasts” study Ann conducted on Understood.org podcasts

Laura: Thank you so much for that natural transition to talk about the podcast study, which I'm going to have you describe to the audience. But first, I want to thank the listeners, just for being listeners, thank you. But I'm sure that there are some listeners out there who have actually participated in this study because it had how many?

Ann: We had 424 women participate in the survey, and we've had 35 women complete an interview or a journal following up from the survey.

Laura: So if that's one of you, thank you so much. And so this was a study that was done on "ADHD Aha!," that's us, hi, and "MissUnderstood."

Ann: Yes.

Laura: So if you haven't checked out the "MissUnder" ADHD and Women channel, definitely check that out. Let me just try to sum up what my understanding is of what the study aimed to figure out and then I'm going to have you describe it. So, and I'm going to look at my trusty note card here. We set out to figure out how do podcasts make listeners more informed about their health? And what are the effects of our podcasts on women with ADHD?

Ann: Mhm.

Laura: So tell me. First of all, who did you do this study with?

Ann: So huge shout out to Torrens University Australia, specifically Dr. Kate Ames. So she for a long time has researched communications and things like podcasts. And she actually reached out to us wanting to sort of know if it was okay if she did an analysis on our podcast transcripts. And I reached back out and said, "Actually, you could do so much more. Would you like to partner with us?" And she was like, "Absolutely." So Kate Ames has been integral to getting this study done.

Laura: Has there ever been a study like this before that you know of?

Ann: Not that I know of. So podcasting has definitely increased in popularity as a medium. And so podcast research in and of itself is limited, but then when you add in the fact that it's also women and ADHD and podcast research, that really makes it what we can consider a first-of-its-kind study.

Laura: So tell us the nuts and bolts of the study.

Ann: Yeah, so we had set out to recruit as many women as possible to take the survey. And we were trying to recruit from every single show on Misunderstood, plus ADHD Aha. And what that ultimately gave us, again, is 424 women. We gave them the survey that just said, "Hey, thanks for listening to our podcast. Can you tell us a little bit about your listening habits, but also tell us sort of what, what is the impact that the podcast has had on you?"

And the interviews and the journals are an extension of that. So with the interviews and the journals, we are asking them again, their listening habits, what effects the podcast had on you? But we're also just asking, "Tell us what it's like to be a woman with ADHD." However you define that. Are you mother? Are you professional career? Are you daughter? Are you partner? What does womanhood look like for you and how does ADHD factor into that?

Laura: What was the average age of the participant?

Ann: Average age across the survey is about 38, and the average age of diagnosis is between 27 and 30.

Laura: Okay.

Ann: So these were, a majority of them were late-diagnoses.

Laura: I'm going to ask you some of the meatier findings, but first this one. I love asking this. What are people usually doing while listening to the podcast or watching the podcast?

Ann: Yeah, so a majority of women are cleaning, they are cooking, or they are commuting. So this is one of those things where we've been able to tease out of the interviews, something called dopamine anchoring. And basically what this means is there's a task you don't like, but there's a task you do like, and you combine them together to get through the task you don't like. So you don't like cleaning, you don't like doing laundry, but you do love this podcast. So you're listening to the podcast to sort of trudge through the laundry.

Laura: What are the top issues that the listeners of these shows, our show and Misunderstood, are facing?

Ann: So the things that they want to know the most about actually is autism and ADHD. That was the number one choice.

Laura: It's amazing. And here you are.

Ann: Yeah. Um, but I think that's because some of them got an ADHD diagnosis and then were later diagnosed with autism. But then some of them were like me and got the autism diagnosis and were later diagnosed with ADHD. And I think women are just starting to question, particularly women who may have been diagnosed with one type or the other. A lot of the women are like, "You know, I got this inattentive type, but I don't think that's, I think I'm combined or I think I'm hyperactive." 

And so it's interesting to see that when you think about some of the ways that the hyperactive type might affect, let's say the world around you and the way that you interact with people, it sort of has a similar effect as some of the social circumstances and social anxiety that we see with autism is, you know, you're avoiding the large crowds or you're too much or you're not enough. So it leads to this questioning. And so I feel like there's just a lot of women who are curious.

Laura: Yeah. And wasn't the number two answer emotional regulation?

Ann: Emotional regulation. Yes. 

Laura: Which is tied into exactly what you're talking about.

Ann: Exactly. 

Laura: And you can struggle with that even if you don't have autism and ADHD, right?

Ann: Right. Yeah, it's one of those topics that we do see, again, in both groups. You have the overstimulation which can lead to emotional dysregulation, but then you also have the emotional regulation on the ADHD side and the results of that. So I think it's just this questioning of there is an overlap of symptoms and how do you process that?

Laura: Yeah. And then the workplace experience. For those listeners who are in the workforce.

Ann: Procrastination.

Laura: Yeah.

Ann: Procrastination was a huge one.

Laura: You're just like the perfect guest for today.

Ann: I know, right? Procrastination, but we also saw a lot of interest in things like imposter syndrome and wondering sort of, "Am I supposed to be here? Have I done the work?" And I think about that a lot because one of the interesting things about my late diagnosis is that people often said, "That can't be true, you have a PhD."

Laura: Yeah.

Ann: You know, even my own mother said that. And she was like, "It's impossible. Like, you've gone to college for a decade or more. Like, you can't have these things." And I often wonder if that's how these women are feeling when it comes to imposter syndrome, is like, "You were told it can't be ADHD because you got a college degree, but now you're struggling and so do you deserve to be here and how did you get the college degree? And how are you working now?" So there's this like internal cycle that goes right back to the ability to sort of regulate that internal emotion.

Laura: Yeah. And then just in general, in life, friendship was a big topic. Is that right?

Ann: Yeah. So we asked women specifically what top issues around womanhood do they feel like is dealing with a challenge? And friendships and relationships, not like partner-spouse or dating relationships, but literally getting along with people I'd like to be friends with and how I do that, ended up being one of the top answers. We also saw a lot of women mention issues basically around hormones. So whether it was menopause or regulation of periods or pregnancy, that came up a lot too.

And we actually saw that in the interviews as well. A lot of women got their diagnosis because their menopausal brain was not an explanation for what they were experiencing as the way they defined it, is the way the hormones were affecting them, it couldn't explain everything.

Laura: Yeah.

Ann: And that's why they ultimately went in to get diagnosed.

Laura: Okay, so we talked about procrastination as an issue, AuDHD as a challenge that people were interested in, and friendship. So basically you saw yourself very clearly in the study, right?

Ann: Yes. Yes. I mean, just doing the study, it has been hugely self-reflective for me. And like a lot of the women have named things for me that I didn't even think to name. So it's been this sort of back and forth of like, "I understand myself better because I met 34, 35 women who told me their stories and now I know who I am."

Laura: Is there anything else that you want to share about the experience of the women that participated in the study before we move on to what we found about podcasts and these podcasts in general?

Ann: What's interesting is that of all the women that I've interviewed, there's been a very small portion who could say, "I was diagnosed in fifth grade as a 10-year-old, very, very young." There was only a handful that told me that story. A majority of the women told me the story of, "I knew I was different since kindergarten. I knew I was different when I first started interacting with peers my age, and no one ever said anything or told them anything. Like, they navigated school on their own, figuring out how to do it on their own." A majority of them to great success.

And they're all getting diagnosed later in life. I would even say it's a form of early trauma of trying to learn how to navigate the world without the tools you need and just knowing you're different and knowing you're kind of getting rejected a little bit, and then finding out 40 years later, "Actually, it's ADHD." We've had a lot of women who have said to me, "Getting the ADHD diagnosis basically told me I wasn't broken. I wasn't flawed. There was a reason for the way the last, you know, few decades of my life played out."

And I think that's an important story to acknowledge because there's, I would say, an entire generation of women out there, the sort of late Gen Z, Millennial, early Gen X period of women who spent their whole life just figuring it out on their own without the help they needed.

Laura: I mean, it's so powerful. It gives me goosebumps, like for sure. Let's talk about the power of podcasts. This feels like a, this feels a little weird as the host of the show that we're talking about. But I'm just so excited about the, it's so cool that we get to do something that, you know, shares information with people, that is fun to do, but actually has a real impact on people, which we kind of had a hunch that we could do something like that, but you kind of proved it.

Ann: I proved is a strong word as a researcher, I'm going to caution you on the word proof.

Laura: Oh, dang it, Ann. Okay, so you didn't prove it.

Ann: I demonstrated. 

Laura: She okay, shedemonstrated the power of podcast. Okay. How do listening to these shows, based on what you learned from the people who participated, how does it help them in their lives?

Ann: Okay, so this is where I have to cheat and I have to pick up my cheat sheet because I don't want to quote statistics incorrectly. No. So, starting out, the one statistic that stood out for me is that 86% of the women who participated in the survey actually said that listening to these podcasts gave them hope for their future.

Laura: That's one of my favorite stats too.

Ann: Yeah, it's, it's a huge one, considering everything that we've talked about about this, you know, the vicious cycle in the workplace of procrastination, imposter syndrome, perfectionism, this desire to want to have friends, this spending 40 years thinking you're a failure. They're getting hopeful listening to the podcast.

95% said that it helps them understand the way their ADHD affects them. And I can elaborate on that by speaking to the women who did the interviews is what they mean by that is they literally understand their brain better. Like it's not just like, oh, how does ADHD affect me in social situations or how does ADHD affect me at work? It's like I understand now that the neurons in my brain fire a little bit differently and what does that mean for what I go through in my day-to-day life?

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

Ann: Another really, I think, is a beautiful statistic is that 92% of the listeners said that they feel more connected to other women with ADHD. For many of the women I've spoken to, they were isolated to a point. Either their sort of family didn't believe them or they didn't have anyone around them who was navigating ADHD. Often, and this shows out in other research too, it was my child got the diagnosis and then I started going, "Wait a minute, that could be me, too."

And so there was the sense of isolation. And of course there's this idea of do you have a supportive partner in this? Do you have a spouse like mine who jumps in and helps whenever he can? Or do you have a spouse that's, you know, not picking up the slack? And so there was that desire for connection, that desire to not only connect with somebody who understands them, which is you, but also connect to all of the listenership and the people in the comments and the other women who, it gives them a way to talk to other women about what they're experiencing.

Laura: Yeah. I mean, it's the same thing for me because I'm actually having these conversations with people and I'm benefiting from it, right? So I, I'm just glad to hear that I'm not alone in that.

Ann: You are definitely not alone. You are definitely not alone. And speaking of partners and relationships, 71% reported that these podcasts actually helped improve their personal relationships. And this goes back to, you know, something that I said the women taught me. It gave them language to talk to their spouses or to talk to their partners about why they do things the way they do or why they say things the way they say it or why this happens. They're getting the language they need to communicate and ask for support and ask for help. And also, some of the women have said, "Look, like my mom didn't believe me, so I shared the podcast with her and she listened to one episode and she was like, 'Oh, it makes sense now.'" So it's also a way to share things. The podcast, you know, offers a sort of bite-sized format to get mom to understand, to get their partner to understand, to get a friend to understand.

Laura: What about the personal story aspect of it? What's the right balance of expert information and personal stories or just does it, doesn't matter or?

Ann: So based on what the women have told me, there's a good balance between lived experience and sort of day-to-day management that they want. So the lived experience is offering this sense of validation, the sense of, "Oh, I totally get that," or "I totally relate," or "that's me, like you're totally talking about me." But we don't stop there. As understood, we offer all of the expert-vetted resources that you can imagine. So it's not just, "Hey, that's me." It's, "Hey, that's me and here's what I can do to help manage, to cope, to address, to whatever it is that they need to self-accommodate their own ADHD."

Laura: This is all so meta in that it's, it's we're talking about how great we are and all the good work that we've done. But I mean, the reality is that without people listening and without people coming on the show and writing in to us, none of this happens.

Ann: Right. We don't exist without them.

Laura: Yeah, we don't. So this is not just a big pat on our back, it's a pat on all of your back too, all of you listeners, all of your backs, collectively, because this doesn't happen without all of you. And, yeah, I mean, we want you to share these shows with everybody because they quote work. It's not proven according to Ann, but she's demonstrated.

Ann: It's demonstrated. It's demonstrated.

Laura: What else do you want to share about the study?

Ann: I think, and again, we're going to joke about this, but I'm going to be very, very honest, more than nine out of 10 women say that they absolutely trust the podcast hosts to give them accurate health information. So one of the most interesting findings is that the women we surveyed are rating podcasts higher than social media for health information, higher than mainstream media for health information. They really do see podcasts because of particularly our podcast, the way that they are including experts but also, you know, being vetted by experts so that we have everything covered. It's a critical media source for them when it turns to health information. They're not just looking at it and going, "Oh, great, Understood told me this." Like they're analyzing it and being like, "No, this is, this is truth. This is expertise. I trust them to tell me health information."

Laura: And that's a huge responsibility, especially in this day and age with so much misinformation out there. I take that responsibility very seriously. And I try to say it all the time on this show that I am not a quote "expert" with a capital E. I'm not a clinician, right? But I work with people like Ann.

Ann: Yeah.

Laura: And people like all of the 90-plus experts that we work with at Understood to make sure that even though we're sharing personal stories, like any time we are sharing health information, we make sure that it's vetted. We take that very seriously, and we're really proud that people come to us for that.

Ann: Yeah, and it's something that we are continuing to do. You know, we are talking to the women and, you know, we're asking for feedback.

Laura: I'm just so grateful for all the work that you put into this. It just came together so beautifully. And so grateful to Dr. Kate.

Ann: Yes, shout out to Dr. Kate always.

Laura: Ann, it's been so nice to chat with you today. Thank you for sharing your story with me. Thank you for sharing about the study. Thank you for conducting the study.

Ann: Is there anything else that you want to share before we head out? Look out for the Understood website. We'll be posting the data actually, the key insights and results within the next month. So all of that will be up there for your viewing pleasure.

Laura: Amazing. Thank you.

Ann: Thank you.

Laura: Thanks for listening today. As always, if you want to share your own "aha" moment, email us at ADHDAha@understood.org. I'd love to hear from you. 

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